LONDON – Britain and the United States are assisting a counterterrorism police unit in Yemen amid fears of an increasing threat of international terrorism emanating from the country, the British government said Sunday.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's office said that he and President Barack Obama agreed to "intensify joint U.S.-U.K. work to tackle the emerging terrorist threat from both Yemen and Somalia" in the wake of the failed Detroit terror plot.
"Amongst the initiatives the PM has agreed with President Obama is U.S.-U.K. funding for a special counter-terrorism police unit in Yemen," the statement said.
The U.S. embassy in Yemen closed on Sunday, citing ongoing threats by the al-Qaida branch that has been linked to the failed Christmas Day bombing attempt of a U.S. airliner headed to Detroit. The embassy would not say if there was a specific threat.
The confrontation with the terrorist group's branch in Yemen, at the tip of the Arabian Peninsula, has gained new urgency since the 23-year-old Nigerian accused in the attack, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, told U.S. investigators he received training and instructions from al-Qaida operatives in Yemen. President Barack Obama said Saturday that al-Qaida's branch in Yemen was behind the attempt.
A cushy Saudi Arabian "rehab" center where terrorists are encouraged to express themselves through crayon drawings, water sports and video games is under scrutiny after one of its graduates re-emerged as a leader in the al Qaeda branch claiming responsibility for trying to blow up an airliner on Christmas.
Said Ali al Shihri -- a former Guantanamo Bay detainee who now heads the terror group al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula -- obviously didn't get to the bottom of his America-hating issues while undergoing the controversial rehab for jihadists.
Inmates like Shihri are supposed to while away the days playing ping-pong, PlayStation and soccer in hopes that the peaceful environment will help them cope with their jihadist rages.
Bomb-makers and gunmen participate in art therapy to help them explore their feelings non-violently.
In between tasty picnic-style meals of rice and lamb and snacks of Snickers along with dips in the pool, participants practice Arabic calligraphy, produce dizzying Jackson Pollack rip-offs and imagine the aftermath of car bombings in crayon.
Some 1,500 al Qaeda terrorists have "graduated" from the program, including 108 former Guantanamo Bay detainees, the Washington Post reported.
"The Saudis talk about a success rate of 80 to 90 percent, but when you look at what those numbers mean in reality, it all falls down. There is no criteria for evaluation," John Horgan, a Department of Homeland Security consultant, told the New York Post.
In 2009, Horgan visited several of the Saudi terrorism rehab centers to report on the programs for Homeland Security.
"These guys are not being de-radicalized. They are being encouraged to disassociate from terrorism, but that doesn't mean their fundamental views changed," said Horgan, director of the International Center for the Study of Terrorism at Penn State.
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"There are guards and gates and barbed wire but it's not quite prison," Christopher Boucek of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who has visite
d the center, told ABC.
"It's a communal living environment that's more like 'Hogan's Heroes' than 'Escape From Alcatraz.' "
A team of shrinks works with the inmates in managing their emotions, and they are given lessons in Islam from imams, who warn them that jihad is only acceptable when sanctioned by the state.
Toward the end of their stint, some inmates are allowed to make unescorted visits to family members.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is insanity. Idiot liberals who wanted to 'feel good' about themselves and prove how 'progressive' they are have put in charge of this country a man who barely ever made a decision, but rather voted 'present' in his almost half a Senate term served before he began campaigning. We have in charge a man who has no military experience, indeed, I believe he hates the military with a passion.
COPENHAGEN — Police shot a Somali man wielding an ax and a knife after he broke into the home of an artist whose cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb-shaped turban outraged the Muslim world, the head of Denmark's intelligence agency said Saturday.
Jakob Scharf said in a statement that a 28-year-old man with ties to Al Qaeda entered Kurt Westergaard's home in Aarhus Friday night. But Westergaard pressed an alarm and police arrived minutes later.
The attack on the artist, whose rendering was among 12 that led to the torching of Danish diplomatic offices in predominantly Muslim countries in 2006, was "terror related," Scharf said. He said the man would be charged with attempted murder.
Westergaard, whose 5-year-old granddaughter was in the home on a sleepover, sought shelter in a specially made safe room when the suspect broke a window of the home, said Preben Nielsen of the Aarhus police.
Officers arrived two minutes later and tried to arrest the assailant, who wielded an ax at a police officer. The officer then shot the man in a knee and a hand, authorities said. Nielsen said the suspect was hospitalized but his life was not in danger.
"The arrested man has, according to PET's information, close relations to the Somali terrorist group al-Shabab and Al Qaeda leaders in eastern Africa," Scharf said. PET is Denmark's intelligence agency.
Scharf said without elaborating that the man is suspected of having been involved in terror-related activities in east Africa. He had been under PET's surveillance but not in connection with Westergaard, he said
The man, who had a permit to stay in Denmark, was to be charged Saturday with attempted murder for trying to kill Westergaard and the police officer, Scharf said.
16 comments:
But it really wasn't all that long ago Navy snipers took out Somali pirates without a trial.
And again, what is this bs? Did the Navy capture those pirates? No. Not anymore than any organ of the US government captured the flight 93 hijackers.
Near the end of the war the US fought against the left-wing labor activists that ran Nazi Germany, several thousand surrendering German soldiers were executed by firing squad by American soldiers, without a trial.
In another war against genocidal left-wingers in Vietnam, the US had a fully operational assassination program (the "Phoenix Program") that specialized in capturing and executing VietCong officials. Without a trial.
This in addition to recent efforts against the left-wing socialists that ran Baathist Iraq where command elements of the Iraqi Republican Guard were also targeted for capture and / or execution. The entire tactic of "decapitation airstrikes" sought to kill Saddam Hussein without a trial. The killing of wartime enemies without a trial has been a part of American history from beginning until now.
You're coming up with nothing here because it simply hasn't happened in a very long time that the US government captures an unlawful enemy combatant and executes them without any adjudication. This discussion began with you and FJ saying this was a perfectly legal thing to do, and yet, it seems we never do it. Weird, huh?
The only thing weird about it is it's plain to see it is happening now, even with recent Predator drone strikes upon terrorists, executing them without a trial, yet you can't hear it over your sandwich slicer at Arby's.
You say you're interested in learning about international law and the customs of warfare, despite your obvious lack of intellectual capacity for grasping the same. Let me and FJ try to teach you.
Typical FJ obfuscation to avoid owning up to mistakes and dead ends.
I'm not the one offering contestions a false choice between Door #1 and Door #2, Dora.
Civilized people err on the side of "innocent until proven guilty." Period. Do they? Do you think that the residents of London Nazi V-1 attacks felt that way before the ordering of the 1945 Dresden bombings, Hiroshima or Nagasaki?
Again, this is tap-dancing. Now you're trying to conflate all battles with the US with executions, which basically eliminates all war scenarios and turns them all into captured-and-executed scenarios.
Finally adle-brained Epimetheus catches a glimmer of Prometheus' forethought and the meaning of the term "war".
Let's remember YOUR original question, posted above on January 8 at 13:31: "Why's it okay to summarily execute a captured spy or saboteur or pirate, but not a terrorist?" (emphasis mine).
The scenario your question envisioned, and correct me if I am wrong, is where some spies, saboteurs, pirates, terrorists, etc. are actually captured by the US government, in some capacity; they're searched and no longer pose any immediate threat, and then without a trial, they are "summarily executed" (your words above, not mine).
Near the end of the war the US fought against the left-wing labor activists that ran Nazi Germany, several thousand surrendering German soldiers were executed by firing squad by American soldiers, without a trial.
Finally, you've managed to come up with something close, but this seems like an all-out war crime, since these were surrendering soldiers, not spies and saboteurs. Do you have a link or source for this?
In another war against genocidal left-wingers in Vietnam, the US had a fully operational assassination program (the "Phoenix Program") that specialized in capturing and executing VietCong officials. Without a trial.
Another good one, although not quite on point, since the people aren't captured. Assassination does not involve capture.
Seems we have yet to find an example of the US doing what you yourself said above was ok.
And FJ,
Again, this is tap-dancing. Now you're trying to conflate all battles with the US with executions, which basically eliminates all war scenarios and turns them all into captured-and-executed scenarios.
Finally adle-brained Epimetheus catches a glimmer of Prometheus' forethought and the meaning of the term "war".
But how are people on the battlefield "captured"?
See Beamish's scenario - capturing and then summarily executing. This is not the same thing as battle. Didn't you serve in the Navy or something? You should know this.
But how are people on the battlefield "captured"?
I'll bite. The enemy facing imminent slaughter is forced to appeal to their enemies "better nature" to spare their lives and they physically surrender, or the enemy is physically incapacited and or surrounded and find themselves unable to directly resume the conflict (perhaps awaking to an M-16 muzzle poking in the backs of their heads)
See Beamish's scenario - capturing and then summarily executing. This is not the same thing as battle.
WOW! It's NOT! If I'm in the middle of a firefight (or perhaps a temporary pause between firefights), I am under NO obligation to instantaneously receive surrendering enemy combattants. And if I've an immediate military objective to achieve, I'm under NO obligation to defer and substitute THAT objective to that of "receiving prisoners".
You'll also note that neither circumstance allows pause for the collection of "crime scene evidence" needed for criminal adjudication of individual cases.
And I'll direct you to the case presented by Operation Red Wing...
Asked later if he had any regrets, Luttrell stated that he should have voted with Axelson.
Dora,
You're trying to envision the word "capture" to mean something akin to "taken into custody" or "incarceration as a prisoner"
Someone captured on the battlefield can simply be someone held at gunpoint under risk of death if they move. Sure, this can lead to custody / incarceration, but not necessarily so. Sometimes blinking violates the "move and I'll shoot" ultimatum, and that's just too damned bad for the enemy, now ain't it?
"A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him." --Winston Churchill
I've a feeling that Dora's chasing the legal definition of the term "captured" like a priest seeking to divine an "imaculate moment of conception" when "soul" joins "host".
It's just a shame no two "captures" are precisely the same.... but then again... neither are any two moments of "conception". ;-)
btw - Here comes the CSI Team ninety years after the fact to collect the forensic evidence necessary to determine the "legal status" of Alvin York's German "captives"...
So, have you divined the moment of "terrorist-capture-conception" when an unprivileged enemy belligerent terrorist infidel under a lawfully declared WoT suddenly and divinely acquires "Geneva Convention" Rights or even better, "American Constitutional" rights?
It would appear that such an immaculate "right conferred" can hardly be considered worthy of consideration as a "right" at all...
In the beginning was the word... of Barack. He said, "Let their be rights," and so they appeared.
Another fine mess you've gotten us into, Stanley...
even the generals are asking for lawyers...good find Alice.
Indeed, Alice!
Dora's legal friends make a train wreck out of the Military Tribunal system and then force the entire mess back into the US Court system where they can earn billions.
I guess it's great work, if you can get it. I can't wait until America becomes a "Nation of Lawyers" instead of merely a "Nation of Laws".
unless they nationalize lawyers...now there's a thought...put them on government scale and see how many of them will want to work at all
...assuming those who "want" to work are allowed by their coworkers to "work" at all...
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